Thanks for those tips,have tried all those things,it woked if I was only leaving him for these short distances.But the funny thing is that all along it has been the way I have positioned my hands. When I leave him for the recall I have my left arm in front of me close, and I tell him to wait.I was doing the same thing but telling him to stay,I couple of trainers at my club watched one day and noticed him move as soon as I left,and said that he is confussed. Because I leave my arm in front of me all the time including heeling,they said change your arm position so I did by putting it behind me when I leave him for the stays and you know it worked.He got his final pass in a dob trial and won with his title.Now it is novice which will be fun as it is all off lead,trial coming up next weekend I will keep you posted. thanks again for the tips. Del & Cooper.